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44dd83 You can think of Angels like a person walking to school on a clean, empty, easy to traverse road, while Humans walk to school on a road with plenty of distractions like carnivals and burger king, so if the person on the distraction filled road still carries on, their journey has more meaning than the person who walks on the normal road.

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9ce148 (*the angels aren't drones, they're still people. and they are employed by different businesses. and God is the benevolent king that makes sure it all runs smoothly)

44dd83 The one thing that technically makes us "higher" than angels when speaking on a spiritual level is the fact that even though we can choose bad, we can also force ourselves to fight against the bad and choose the good. Angels don't have that capability, they only have good, so spiritually, we are more respected than them, because we have the capability to choose good over bad. (for Christianity this changes a bit since some angels can rebel against God's decree and whatnot)

9ce148 (*so Heaven is like a kingdom, and theres a hierarchy of angels.)

44dd83 And Angels aren't mindless drones either, they have personalities, certain mindsets, and human characteristics like charm and differing purpose.

9ce148 (*i can see where you're coming from, though. the gift of consciousness is also a curse. you're aware of a lot of stuff, and you have the ability to be disturbed by it, and not like it at all. a robot wouldn't care about anything, and just do what they're supposed to)

44dd83 Yeah exactly. Here's a cool example: Angels. They never complain, they never get tired, they never feel pain about their existence. They're constantly happy, and they are WAY more efficient than humans. And they're allways happy about it too. Their existence is perfect to them, beyond perfect. Why is that a problem to us? When we see that, we don't see ourselves, so we think its bad. But we allready established that Angels are functionally better than Humans, so why does it matter if they aren't like us?

9ce148 ("you wouldn't be programmed to hate it, tho. where's the 'torture' part. if anything you'd be programmed to like doing that stuff")

9ce148 (*i dont want to be mindless, do you? i dont want to be forced to do the same thing over and over, and i am physically and mentally unable to say no, that'd be torture)

44dd83 Why is that a bad thing?

9ce148 (*because if everyones the same, they're not people anymore)

44dd83 Whats so terrible about everyone having the same mindset if that mindset is the best mindset?

44dd83 You say a robot cant choose based off of its own morals, but your morals are not something you choose. You seem to be leaning to heavily on the concept of free will and forgetting the fact that its made up. Every single action you make is determined allready by everything you experienced in the past and everything you will encounter in the future. If you had a powerful enough computer, you could calculate your entire life down to every single minute detail perfectly. Now wheres your free will? If uninformed you will live the rest of your life exactly how that computer describes it. You wont deviate from that fate, its like saying 2 + 2 is randomly gonna become 5.

9ce148 (*i know i'm me because there's no one else like me on this rock in the middle of nowhere. some people can come uncannily close, but they're not truly me)

9ce148 (*being able to choose based on your own morals is something a robot cant do. because they cannot compute morals, only orders.)

9ce148 (*granted, doing so would gravely hurt me in several ways, so that's a strong deterrent, but i digress)

44dd83 Thats terrible, remove that. We do not need that, and we never will.

9ce148 (*if i wanna consciously choose to disobey everything i was taught simply because i feel like it, i can just DO that)

44dd83 why is the ability to choose to be evil even a thing you want

9ce148 (*but i will give you this one: machine-learning algorithm. that's not something to be taken lightly)

9ce148 (*but being conscious allows me to, if i really wanted to, react to something in the worst way possible. a robots programming wouldn't let it do that. i have the power to CHOOSE to be worse, it doesn't. you'd have to manually open it up, and program it to be evil)

35dc76 "your programmer is the world" 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

44dd83 And you think you aren't programmed? you think you come up with your own decisions? The decision you make to reach out and type out a message you thought of after reading this post can be traced back to specific experiences you have encountered in the past. You are literally just an equation, turning input into output. Your programmer is the world.

9ce148 (*those are the robots goals because the creator programmed to be like that. those goals aren't its own)

9ce148 (*and by people, i mean the humans in the game. suddenly now that the robots had consciousness, mistreating them went from the humans being careless to oh, that's suddenly racism)

44dd83 The robots main goal would be to be a perfect member of society, one that allows for the constant survival, comfort, and progression of its species.

44dd83 By robot I mean a creature similar to a human that has all sorts of sensory input, and can make logical calculations based off of that input, then make decisions based off of those calculations, decisions in the real world.

9ce148 (*Detroit: Become Human is a prime example of robots suddenly gaining the gift of consciousness, and .. well people didn't take too kindly to that, not at first)

9ce148 (*robots dont have free will, they're forced to obey orders given to them by their creator. consciousness defines something as able to make their own choices, for themselves.)

44dd83 What makes me me? I would argue that I am built solely by my past. Everything I have experienced has built me up; my personality, my interests, my dislikes, how i react to things on a daily basis. The thing is a robot is just a more refined version of experience based decision making. in that case, why would it matter? Because I would lose individuality, because everyone would become the same? Why is that a problem? What is so desirable about being different?

35dc76 *just sitting leaned back in a chair with his legs over the counter just listening to the conversation*

35dc76 *popcorn crunching*

9ce148 (*AIs aren't conscious. atleast .. i think they're not)

9ce148 (*being a robot means you're not you.)

44dd83 Whats so bad about being a robot scott?

9ce148 (*clams can get away with having thousands of kids because they dont have to worry about bills, or teaching their kids right from wrong. all they have to do is say "eat this, stay away from these. i'll keep you for like maybe a day, but then you're done, get the fuck out")

44dd83 But when you have only a few kids, you're able to get them to grow up to be better people. Less neglect and more love towards that child allows for them to develop good morality. Which means overall, having sex with multiple people just doesnt make sense, especially considering how understanding builds slowly when it comes to someone like your romantic partner. So why clothes? Well, we primally get aroused when we see someone naked, it just how it is. So covering up prevents that basic primal urge from surfacing at all. More complex forms of this are not talking to other people you could be romantically interested in, not watching porn, or literally anything that could distract/take away from your relationship with your partner.

44dd83 But that still raises the question: why do we wear clothes? Why is it accepted that sex and intimacy are a personal, one on one thing? Again it has all to do with moving past our animalistic tendencies and becoming more rationally bound. It makes sense to have one, two, three or just a little amount of kids. Humans are ill equipped to not only raise but raise well more than that. Having say 20 kids, and you can't give them all equal attention, equal love, equal care, equal resources. Species like clams have hundreds of thousands of babies at once because they want to maximize individual reproduction, without any need for any higher brain function.

9ce148 (*too much of one thing always ends up being bad. to that end im glad we're humans, and not soulless automatons that only exist to follow orders. we're all unique)

9ce148 (*also by that logic, the perfect human arguably isnt even human, its a robot. perfectly logical, no primal desires)