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14d431 Even just your own parents, if you can. I discuss Islamic concepts that have been muddled in my brain now and then with my dad, and come out with a bit more understanding, even if I don't fully agree with him.

14d431 When I tell you that being in those enviornments, interacting with those people, being able to have another form of input besides just your own thoughts helps so much, and gives you so much insight, i mean it.

14d431 Are there any mosques that you attend these days? Maybe for Friday prayer? If so, do they hold any events now and then? Book nights, discussions, festivals.

e656d4 [Jenismo] [and then we got this beautiful thing, the car]

14d431 There is little comfort in my faith, i've yet to reach the serene level that sufi mystics and other Islamic giants seem to hold. I fear my purpose, my fate, and my doings. But, a self shedding and rejection of perfect nature is necessary, since understanding that you are not logical or rational in anyway shape or form allows for you to understand just how insignificant you can be in certain viewpoints. I think ego death is necessary at a certain point to become a true believer. But that's a bit far now, getting ahead of myself.

e656d4 [Jenismo] [us as humanity have always questioned things, thats why we have gotten this far as a species, like the first people to create a car were saying "why can't we go faster?" then turned it into "how can we go faster."]

8426a8 i expect the rest of my life to be asking these questions but at the very least to find the comfort and trust in faith that you seem to hold

14d431 It's more difficult being born into Islam to be a true beleiver in my opinion. You grow up being taught that it's just right, never fully understanding why you do things the way you do. It ends up becoming habit. And once you actually start questioning things, people most of the time unfortunately say you SHOULDNT be. WHY? Of COURSE you should be questioning why you've been following something for your entire life. Why this and not something else? Why this and not nothing at all? Why is it shunned to be curious and want to expand your worldview past tradition and habit? It's how we genuinely get closer to God.

e656d4 [Jenismo] [anywho (i need to stop saying anywho and anyways)]

c0f84e sirius, die.

8426a8 im acc gonna save this when we're done lol this is good brain food

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8426a8 born into it, went to mosques frequently but only recently ive started talking with my pretty devout friend, i want to know why i believe what i do

c0f84e uhh no problem ig? i thought this was obvious.

14d431 Do you have any ways of joining similar talks or discussions gunther? You go to a mosque at all? community center? Actually, where you born Muslim or did you join Islam later on in life?

14d431 Thanks for calling me smart twobit, I appreciate your acknowledgment

e656d4 [Andre] [If ya mean i was "Insulted by an Intellectual" then thats a different context]

14d431 Last time it was the levels of primal "self" and what each one means in terms of closeness to God. That was an extremely cool discussion we had. Lasted 20 minutes longer than it should have just because we where all genuinely interested.

c0f84e What i meant was that you were insulted the smart way..

14d431 You know Gunther one of my favorite activities I do with my Islamic community is weekly discussions. I go to my cultural center and we all sit down and go over a subject in Islam. I learn new things, realize why something is the way it is. Ask questions, get people thinking. I allways leave with my brain fired up, questions I had answered, even more importantly even more questions whizzing around my brain. It keeps my wonder and appreciation in God alive.

e656d4 [Andre] [you literally said i was intellectually insulted]

14d431 Does your brain care alot about what others think about you? Focus on that. God wants me to not backtalk. Ok, but why? Hell? Hmm. Oh, wait, if I backtalk, it will lead to overall conflict, and if that person finds out (they almost allways do) they will dislike me heavily. They will tell others about what i've done. I'll be seen for being a horrible, outcasted human being. I understand now WHY God wants me to not do this. It makes sense. My faith is stronger now.

c0f84e sigh i think we all need some sleep and some jorking off

8426a8 hoo boy ive got my work cut out for me

c0f84e since when did i say u were called dumb...

e656d4 [Steelheron Monarch] [reread it, he didnt call me an idiot, he called me impudent, which means cocky about a subject or somthing close to it, which isnt calling me dumb]

14d431 Overall my point is; the reason self reflection is so encouraged in religion and overall psychological betterment is because in order to understand God you have to understand how you understand first, then develop your mindset and set rulesets in your own mind based off of what ways you interpret the world.

14d431 Ofc theres psychology in this God invented the brain as our vessel for testing us through our decision making and internal conflict

c0f84e mf u got intellectially insulted wdym two bit aside.

14d431 But if I attribute it to MYSELF instead? If I say I am literally a NEGATIVE aspect of society? That I am actively the enemy of the collective good of humanity? Then, an inkling of reality starts forming. By forcing myself to understand the implications (logical wise) of my actions, I can logically come to a conclusion that I should stop, and I feel more inclined to seek help. And this isn't disconnecting my motivation from God, it's taking a different facet of viewing religious duty and implementing it. My purpose on Earth, in this society of humans, is to be good, because being good as a human makes humanity better. If I am doing bad at that, I want to change. It's much, much easier to follow than just thinking to myself that after I die I'm gonna be burning forever. Which,yes, that will happen too. But what motivates me more is the perspective that aligns with the way I interpret the world.

8426a8 holy crud theres acc psychology in this

e656d4 [Steelheron Monarch] [anyways twobit aside, im not being cocky about it, i genuinely dont do any of those things, i dont indulge in drugs, porn, lying, etc etc. Ive been avoiding a lot.]

14d431 Theres no opposition to them so they just grow and grow. If left unchecked, how would one get out of them? For me compulsive lying was an issue for a while. Knowing that God was watching in and of itself didn't allways help out that much since, well, ok, he's watching, I can still lie. Animal brain, see's no immediant consequences = doesn't care.

14d431 Anyways, these private addictions.

8426a8 so it would boil down the maturity of the brain?? or js outright rejection of God and his values which ig is the same thing

c0f84e ohhh thats what he meant? why couldn't he just say so.

8426a8 point being its hard being consistent with faith because you dont feel rewarded for your acts i see i see

c0f84e he just called u a leech brain i wouldn't let that slide

e656d4 [Andre] [Let him speak 🗣️]

14d431 Confident impudence to your own capability to slip up is dangerous eku. There are things you don't notice about yourself that are leeches to your brain.