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9ce148 (*crack theory: amalgamations have negative health, thats why damage doesn't work on them. DT lets things persist beyond death, but since monsters arent built for that shit, their bodies collapse into soft serve icecream. Undyne, trying to stay alive, forced her negative HP to go back up .. and when it went from -1 to 0, thats when she actually managed to die properly)
f5254f I believe that the red soul means different things in both games, in undertale, it means freedom, given how Frisk doesn't seem to acknowledge being controlled, like kris does. and Frisk just overall does their own thing. The red soul in Deltarune embodies Control, I feel like.
adb8be the red soul trait could just literally be you
14d431 And so by giving determination to a monster, even if they themselves have an "individuality", their bodies do not, instead possessing a change-inclined topology, meaning by injecting them with STABILITY, they start to collapse, because stability is not in their nature. It's like injecting a human with atom-weakening juice that makes their atoms not want to stick together of course they're going to fucking die
35dc76 i like to think the red soul might be a culmination of all the soul traits or something
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9ce148 (*correct. monsters are mostly magic, and humans are mostly physical)
14d431 Also I think this is already a really simple established theory but it makes SENSE that monsters have a sort of "negative determination", a pusillanimity of sorts. Their bodies and minds and souls don't have boundaries like a humans, they can merge and shift and change easily. They quiet literally do not possess a physical will to be an individual, their physical composition favors giving up and changing over staying firm and concrete.
f5254f The red soul isn't determination, the red sould doesn't have a defined trait. Determination is just a thing people can have
35dc76 yes, pretty sure monsters bodies are purely magical
1f86ca on the topic of DT uh I found this lying around
35dc76 whats a ±
adb8be monsters aren't as physical as humans right
f5254f okay
35dc76 i NEED to catch back up on undertale lore, im forgetting things
14d431 hmm. well we already know monsters can HAVE determination, it just makes them really unstable. maybe like a ± situation
9ce148 (*on Dark Neutral and Genocide, Undyne literally melts. but she dies before fully amalgamating)
2c0a10 aaauuughhh
1f86ca so uh
35dc76 she is determined to not die to save all of monsterkind, so yes i would say she has determination in that moment, a LOT of it too
ea197c Act-check- Undyne the Undying-heroine reformed by her own determination to save earth
14d431 deranged theories are my specialty
f5254f what are you all on about
14d431 well does undyne canonically have determination or is she just really not wanting to die
35dc76 we are reaching into deranged theory territory
adb8be Already closed the wigglepaint jorn
adb8be Then what's with undyne
35dc76 maybe just repurpose it for todays thing (file) and put the save file thing there :dumbahh:
14d431 What if determination hurts monsters because they have negative health and determination gives positive health which is why monsters with determination are so weird because instead of being negative or positive they are a mix of both and have imaginary number related data.
adb8be I am not satisfied with how this came out there's no feeling of freedom in it ngl
f5254f hi guys
805fa0 so basically if yugioh's lp could go in the negatives
1f86ca the dilemma of negative hp
35dc76 oh true
14d431 Actually I had a revelation. If we think about it, healing him would bring him closer to 0 if he had negative health, making it so healing hurts him, while something harmful to normal positive health people would "heal" him by increasing his negative hp, sort of like the undead in minecraft with healing and harming potions.
805fa0 (nice could u tell her to listen to a song (Big Goodbye by AJR) if you get a chance?)
805fa0 i made a new class of magic. Calamity Magic, the darkest magic ever seen. It automatically comes with Antimagic and Necromagic, along with any other dark-type magic. Antimagic does not work on Calamity spells or (ofc) Antimagic. In turn, when Anti is used against Calamity, the mage loses control over said magic, and it has a 50% chance of consuming the mage whole; if that does happen, armaggedon events start
35dc76 hmm
adb8be skibidi
14d431 (yes moko I do) that's what I'm thinking. Since your existence is tied to a numerical system, something unlike what's found in nature, almost like a universal rulebook, what would treating it like an actual number do?
35dc76 this could also lead into the theory that "hp" is "hope" honestly
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