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d2509e Well let’s get into the nitty gritty of it. Why is substance abuse bad, because it exploits the addictive pathways of the brain and causes irrational and self harming behavior such as ones entire life revolving around the substance, relationships deteriorating due to swayed mindset, and so on. Like it or not the same thing applies to weed, social media usage, sex, and so on. So, if all of these things are harmful, they belong on the spectra of things that should be avoided/regulated.
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b234bc Everything your saying is again related to exploitation or harm. Saying "humans are irrational" yea and
d2509e Pepper “doesn’t hurt anyone” is the most obscure and out of place metric for something as wildly complex and interwoven as human interaction because literally everything causes harm and there isn’t some big group of really bad things and big group of ok things, it’s a murky, spread out spectra of harm.
d2509e Someone will kill thinking its normal, someone will want to commit suicide because they think its easier than continuing to live, someone will do heavy drugs because its an easy escape to euphoria, someone will groom a child because their libido is fried and warped, someone will rob a store because their desperation for money is more than their regard for the stores autonamy, someone will cheat on their spouse because they aren’t getting the satisfaction they need from their partner so they think it’s ok to get some from someone else, someone will abuse a child because they think its the correct way to make them behave, someone will abuse an animal for the same reason, someone else will abuse an animal because they don’t regard it as a being that can feel pain and deserves a good life, someone will kill a snail for the same reason.
d2509e If you actually look into and understand psychology you will see that rationality is not a yes no, crazy or sane aspect. It’s a spectrum. Humans are stupid and horrible at making decisions. We are no where NEAR logically pure computers.
b234bc If somethings consensual, honest, and doesnt hurt anyone its fine you dont need a philosophy degree to see the difference bmo
702957 that was adequately poetic
fb3c0a ok but barging in very recklessly and shamefully here can one of you mfs just answer the original question instead of having this spiral into droning noise and static for the next 2 hours or so
b234bc Again you're dragging to the extremes suicide involves irreversible harm and we all know someone who is suicidal is in fact, not capable due to the fact that they're most of the time in a unhealthy headspace when they would otherwise choose different
702957 wtf
d2509e If not, then there is ANOTHER metric that should be taken into consideration, that being sanity or rationality. But how do you define what a rational action is?
d2509e Or something yet even simpler, the suicide pods in Europe that people can use to kill themselves if they want to. They’re adults and capable people, why is it wrong pepper? Even a whole country viewed it as ok, a person is autonomous so we might as well let them do whatever they want, no?
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d2509e Take for example suicidal people and cannibals. Should we allow someone who wants to die to consent to being killed and eaten by said cannibal.
d2509e Except you do because it isn’t simple. We as a society should not be defining our moral ruling off of the single metric of consent because guess what even grown ass adults can do stupid shit that harms others and themselves
b234bc You're obviously misrepresenting my definition of experimentation to try and shock me we both have basic level IQ so I shouldn't have to explain this to you
d2509e Where does your boundary lie? Is it consent only, everything else is viable as long as there is consent?
d2509e You’re the one who defined expirimentation as healthy so I’m asking you to define it further since obviously all experimentation is not healthy.
fb3c0a how tf did this go from "wanna watch me play undertale" to "logical fallacies and contemporary issues"
d2509e So pepper, forgive me for not accepting the idea that all humans are perfectly rational as long as the arbitrary metric of consent is in place.
b234bc If you're going to compare experimenting with being poly with that you're a gross person
d2509e One thing I think you don’t realize is the “consent is key” rule is something we arbitrarily decided to use as a baseline when redefining relationship boundaries through the lgbtq movement. The BASELINE. People, however, take it as the ONLY requirement. Obviously there are things that can be done consensually but still be harmful to humanity overall.
b234bc Straight up a stawman
d2509e Ok so where do you draw the line because people experiment with liking children and animals too
b234bc there are ALOT of people who experiment INCLUDING PEOPLE IN YOUR FIELD I experimented, everyone i know has experimented and tried to see 'hmm i wonder if i like girls/boys/poly ill give it a shot' thats like such an extremely normal thing now of people experimenting is healthy you genuinely have no excuse here.
702957 "Two fucking rules! One, yes or no questions. Two, don't be a fucking idiot!"
d2509e You can’t really compare racism to it because racism is based off of connecting one trait, like voilence, to another unrelated trait, like skin color, and seeing it as logical. The direct reason I dislike these ideologies is because the ideologies themselves are harmful, there is a direct causation, not a correlation.
9ce148 (*don't type brainrot, and i dont smite you. its quite shrimple. not so clampicated)
fb3c0a then again i didn;t establish my abilities yet and this X head wa supposed to ignore every attack but also make me powerless so i could just put it on instead of having the Eye of Cthulhu as i WANTED TO for HALLOWEEN MONTH.
b234bc bias is a bias a racist who just feels uncomfortable around black people is still under the same category as those who outright hate them
d2509e You can’t really justify doing something bad just because other people do it allready
fb3c0a dude. i. are you fucking kidding mOne of these days, I will hit you with an ICBM and respawn you right into your ACME Cage of Doom and Despair.
d2509e Thats just simply not true and you know that, I don’t hate people who do no outright harm, I avoid people with ideologies i view as corrosive or overall damaging.
702957 lol
b234bc Even if we didn't respond he has people who will I only argue with those who do when I think theyre reasons behind it are dumb like eidon thinking his insults actually work
9ce148 (*you typed 'tuah' and that's brainrot)
d2509e Is it about being upset or is it about feeding his delusional desire for attention because if its the latter than you aren’t following your own advice
b234bc Your logical and rational reasoning is the same rhetoric of those who hate on people just to hate and I won't change my thoughts on that
b234bc Except it's not and I've stated multiple times that people shouldn't argue with him if they're going to get upset with him I don't because I never expect anything from him
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